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If you don't understand my position, I'm not sure that's my fault. But this thread is so long that you may not remember my original post on the topic.

My involvement in this aspect of the thread came when one of your guild mates said everyone should be banned for breaking the rules. This was somewhere in the general neighborhood of page 10. I pointed out that account sharing / transferring is rampant and generally accepted on this server, even though it's a direct violation of the EULA. I then proposed that picking and choosing which rules to follow completely invalidates SOE as the arbiter of what's legal and what's not.

Everything else I've follows from that basic position.

Using pathing bugs to trivialize content is not how I play the game. Other people thumb their nose at perma-pac. You seem to be declaring account sharing as dead wrong (based on a couple of recent posts), but I admit I may be misunderstanding you. But....

I can understand someone who is playing against the GAME, not just against the encounters the game designers have presented us with. I can understand someone who feels that finding easier ways to beat the encounters is part of the game they're playing. I do not think making these choices automatically flags someone as some sort of horrible person.

No one has to agree with me. You can decide you think I'm just trolling. You can decide whatever you want. I don't expect you or anyone else to change their in game behavior based on anything I ever say. You can decide I'm a horrible person for having a different view than you do.

And it's all "whatever".

Until someone is breaking SOE's rules in a fashion that directly and negatively affects me or someone I care about, then who am I to judge that person's behavior? And by extension, who are you?

And ALL of that position -- every bit of it -- is predicated on a simple fact: the server collectively is not lily-white because of the account sharing / transferring issue. The entire position is based on people declaring account sharing to be okay, including several of your guildmates. If we were to eliminate that position, then my entire position would change.

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Sinnder, Enchanter of Destiny
Joshore, Druid of Destiny

Ok, I get where your coming from now, thank you.

So by your line of reasoning, if we were talking about the death penalty, you would argue for a single punishment for all transgressions :

A: You'd apply it evenly, so the people that get speeding tickets would also face the death penalty

or

B: You couldn't apply the death penalty at all because others are doing wrong, like those that are getting speeding tickets.

Whenever you want to discuss reality, come back to the boards, but this black and 'lily-white' view of yours is beyond any reasonable logic. Of course people can choose what rules they follow and what rules they don't. Doesn't have anything to do with how SOE enforces them. The act of the choice means that the individual takes responsibility for their actions and if they choose to go against the rules, they accept the possibility of some punishment. Choosing to break a rule does not make it right, nor should it be construed as any sort of social argument by the community, it's wrong. But whether you want to acknowledge it or not, some rules have greater punishments, some rules have a greater impact on others in the game if broken, and the context of how rules are broken has a bearing to SOE (individual vs. raid for example).

By the same token, why does breaking a rule preclude anyone for speaking out against others for breaking rules, the same rules or ones of significantly more impact? Don't give me any social arguments because the rules we're speaking about have nothing to do with social behavior. You clicked 'I agree' as everyone else did, the social argument (community views) are meaningless.

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This thread was very fun at one point. Thuule, I firmly believe we had something special =/

I just want to remind people about what started this now 25 page thread. Utdaan gave a warning that exploiting may have been a factor in SoEs decision to shut Al'Kabor and to stop exploiting. If players' exploiting the game puts our server at risk of being shut down and account sharing does not, then in my opinion there is a difference between the two. Also, if peoples' exploiting causes our server to be shut down, then I think there is a chance it could impact others' game play.

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Wiz, I'm not the one who said every cheater should be banned. I think you're still missing something, but at this point I'm done trying to explain it. If you want a real conversation you can catch me in game. I suspect that's more trouble than it's worth for either of us.

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Sinnder, Enchanter of Destiny
Joshore, Druid of Destiny

Well guess what, neither did I.

No matter how you say it, if you get a speeding ticket you not allowed to report a thief, or if you've shared an account you not allowed to report a more serious exploit, you're just wrong. Zamiel's exploits aren't good for him, for DC, or for the server.

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No, WIz, you weren't. You came in and started responding to my comments, which were triggered in response to something one of your guild mates said. I don't believe I ever tried to imply you made the original statement.

And by and large, I agree with your second statement. However, I don't believe that I'm the EQ police and that it would be hypocritical for me to act like it.

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Sinnder, Enchanter of Destiny
Joshore, Druid of Destiny

Actually I came in when one of your officers said something about not minding if a guild gimped into Time.

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They keep going and going and going and going and going

Bunny picture please.

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Bunny picture coming, photobucket seems to be blocked from work so will update when I get home. -)

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-- Bastette, Arcanist of Al'Kabor, Elder of Temerity
-- Bastette, Druid of Ysera, Member Shadowed Soul (retired)

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I loved the whole Bunnies are terrifying thing in Buffy. It was a great subthread in the musical episode.

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Sinnder, Enchanter of Destiny
Joshore, Druid of Destiny

I like bunnies!

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Suriinya, Dark Elven Enchantress
<Destiny>

I`m at work and if all goes well, I`ll have internet hooked up tomorrow and 10.6 installed.

As for the Foreman event, I`ll comment on it later when I have time.