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{Edit (Nikolai): These posts were removed from the scheduling thread. Unfortunately, I deleted the post containing the original question, so I added a simulated quote to Zorblak's post - Feel free to correct me, Cthona. Oh, and "irregardless" is a word, listed in several dictionaries, starting in 1912, and has been officially recognized as part of the English language since 2002, but is also recognized as being a redundant form of "regardless".}




Blob1, like all the raid targets in VT, is part of the rotation. Since Sanctuary hasn't killed Emperor Ssraeshza, I'm assuming you're keyed by being part of DC raids. As such, I would expect that you would take part in DC's turn in the rotation, right?

(NOTE: I'm just speaking for myself, here, not in any official capacity.)

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[65 Wizard] Zorblak (High Elf) <Temerity>
And while I'm dreaming, I'd like a Drogmor.

Whether Sanctuary members take part in DC raids, how we got keyed, whether we killed the emperor or not, whether we can kill all the mobs in VT is besides the point. The point is that Sanctuary can take down Blob 1 with the help of a few friends, and would like to do so this year. We haven't set up loot rules, but in the past Sanctuary has used either a loot council awarding loot to the best upgrade, or high-roller wins; for mains, alts present, and alts not present, in that order; irregardless of guild affiliation.
We would like to time our open pick-up raids so they don't interfere with this rotation agreement, and work out some way to avoid having Blob 1 repop on other people's raids.

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Miuma of Sanctuary

No such word.

I would assume that if you're trying to work within the spirit of the rotation agreement, then you would go to one of the guilds in that agreement and ask for a shot at Blob1. There's nothing stopping you from just going when ever Blob1 is up other than an agreement among guilds that you are not party to. It's really up to you, and as many have said, I also am not an officer and my words are only my own.

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The problems with the warder despawning mobs in VT is that if you kill them before the corresponding warder is up as well (they have slightly random timers) the warder then spawns with no way to remove it. This can lock out the entire rest of the zone until either a reset or the mob respawns. So jumping in the day after a reset, or right after Blob 1 respawns and kiling it could royally screw another guild...

I would suggest being VERY VERY careful when you kill anything blob1 and beyond without coordinating with whichever guild is currently in their rotation.

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It seems to me that since Sanctuary was/is a continuous part of DCs raid team, that they (DC) would be more than accommodating in leaving Blob 1 or any other mobs available for Sanctuary and Pathfinders as well to give them a shot. I for one would be particularly surprised and frankly offended if they were not.

The leadership of Destiny would probably be open to the idea as well but I will be honest, when I say that some of our members would not.
There is no real need to get into the differing philosophies of raiding again as it has been covered in great detail.

Miu, I would suggest and request that you approach DC first regarding this and If for some unimaginable reason they cannot work it out for you that you approach Destiny and/or Temerity to coordinate. Thank you for posting your intentions here so that we can be sure you get your chance without conflict either for you or the guilds in the rotation.


Of note: Thall Va Xakra is exempt from the rotation agreement entirely and has fantastic loot as well as keying mobs.

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hunter lyrad cypresshade forest stalker + officer of destiny + r. f. g.

Hi Miuma,

I talked this over with a couple of Tem's other officers tonight, and we, too, request that you work through DC and during their rotation period if you plan to kill VT mobs included in the spawn sharing arrangement.

Leaving aside the larger questions of rifting capability and those issues of raiding philosophy to which Lyrad has alluded, we think it makes the most sense for Sanctuary to work with DC in this instance as a practical matter. Temerity members can't raid VT rotation mobs with other guilds, and my impression is that Destiny members don't much either. An open Sanctuary raid on Blob1 would almost have to be composed more or less entirely of people who have access to Vex Thal through DC's alliance, regardless of guild tag.

I'll second Lyrad's note on the Thall Va Xakras, however. They're not covered by the agreement, they're manageable with two groups, and they arguably drop better loot than Blob1. Because there are two of them and they respawn every 3 days, they're also virtually always up.

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Ryoku Wing, Swift Tail of Temerity

Soft-skinned alt scum:
[ Ravenwing | Syovan | Prudence | Auvry | Sycorax ]

Thanks all for the input!
I want to strongly emphasize the irregardlessness of any arguments that Sanctuary should only work with DC for open VT pick-up raids. You can't avoid raid philosophy in this discussion, everyone's arguments have so far centered around it, and I feel the need to clarify that Sanctuary is not DC: we have different goals and different definitions of an open raid. [Nik, please don't send this thread to the rant gulag yet, I'm about to discuss concrete solutions...]
TVXs would be a nice, but I can’t seem to figure out where to put a coth bot for a quick pick-up raid, the rooms are so small, wanderers in the halls, it seems like a long crawl from either the courtyard, or from Blob 1 (which would have to be dead anyway). Does anyone know a way to do this with two groups in under an hour? As far as I can tell, the only quick target we could pull off is Blob 1, so the best proposal I’ve heard so far is from Hemp who suggested that killing Blob 1 at the right time might actually be doing Temerity a favor. Do folks have a set schedule of when it needs to be killed? What is the best way to communicate this?

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Miuma of Sanctuary

Elitist. Shakespere used to make up words, too! Celebrate it! (Ok Sarah Palin reference is worn out) I think you understand what Miu is trying to say..



VT was never meant to be an under 1 hour raid. It was designed for a guild to work through it every night, or every other night, for a whole week, to clear the damn thing. On PC, I was a puller for a guild who did not use CoTH at all and boy did it take a long time... As for my comment about Blob1 kill doing us a favor... to a certain extent this is true but we still do need loot off him. I'm not gonna act like we werent pleased to find mobs cleared up to (or including TVK) to turn what woudl ahve been a 5 hour raid into a 2-3 hour raid.

Hate to say it but if you need to keep your raids under an hour you have no business in VT

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I have no problems with Sanctuary killing blob1 when it is DC's turn in the rotation. However, there are details that need to be discussed (they have to do with timing). Let's move this discussion to the DC forum where the three guilds in the VT rotation normally discuss this.

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Karpan Skyrider
Overlord

Hi Miuma.

As you already may have noticed, by asking for any kind of agreement with another guild on this website you'll usually get little
more than a lot of opinions by people that don't officially represent their guild. I recommend contacting an officer in game or
visiting the guild websites and make a post to the officers directly requesting if they would allow you to kill the mob on their
rotation. You'll get plenty of opinions and negative feedback there too possibly but i think their leadership might appreciate it
and you can get an official yes or no. It's what I would try anyway.

I'm willing to bet that the other guilds' leadership won't have a problem with your request as long as their members don't need
anything from the mob you want to kill. There are plenty of people on AK that don't view anyone else with a different guild tag
other than their own as competition, an inconvenience, or in their way. I believe that other guilds are collectively willing to
help their fellow players, as long as it doesn't interfere with their own advancement.

Zek

Thanks Zek,
I know folks tend to get a little testy here, but I hesitate to make this discussion private because many of the friends who would join me on an open VT raid would come from the growing pool of unguilded toons without access to private boards. Also, I get lazy about checking all the other guild websites, and think of this space as the clearinghouse for the server, like the "alliance" chat channel while playing.
I was never actually asking for an official "yes" or "no", just hoping for advice on what to do with a few friends with VT keys, a small amount of ambition, and an even smaller amount of time. I thought the TVXs were a good suggestion, and maybe I'll try it out, although it doesn't really fit where we're at right now, with an open raid you never know who will show up. In the meanwhile, send me a tell if it would be to your advantage to have Blob 1 removed at a certain time.

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Miuma of Sanctuary

Disappointing to see some of Miuma's post(s) missing- I had started reading this original thread at my brother's place, and I come home and the forums are down. I eventually got around to checking forums again, and things are missing.

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Irregardless is listed in many/most descriptive dictionaries as a non-standard, meaning that it is recognized that people use it, but it's use is incorrect. Most prescriptive dictionaries don't list it, and those that do list it as non-standard also.

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Holy s* I got myself a dictionary and there are TONS of words in it.

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Well since we're on a language/grammar derail already anyways, I have to point out that you should've used "its" rather than "it's" above

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