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nice work lollies.

i think the shorties might be about ready to whack the turtle on their own too.

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As the person who was the Guild Leader of DC during the exodus you are talking about, I can assure you it had NOTHING to do with competition between guilds. Please do not run around spouting off theories when you have no idea what actually happened. It was a totally internal DC issue, I will not go into the details of what happened, but suffice to say it was not because of the fact DC and Tem were hitting the same targets. It was NOT because Tem was evil. It was NOT because Tem was over running DC targets. If you do not know the facts, don't try to speculate.

Also for the record since you do not know me, I stayed with DC for 4 months after the above exodus. I left DC about 5 weeks ago after being in the guild for over a year.

Somehow PC servers seem to manage with a multitude of large raiding guilds. Competition is not always a bad thing.

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Elder SunRa Wosret, Khati Sha Feral Lord
Killer of gods, eater of gnomes.
Venerable Sekhmet Geb, Woodie Storm Warden
Killer of grass snakes, baker of gnomes

Live fast, die young and leave a magnificent looking corpse.

Yeah,

But you still left too Sunra.

And I believe healthy competition is good on the server, and frankly, Temerity is very good for the server. It gives DC a goal to shoot for, and as we get stronger and stronger, and hit harder targets (which is already happening) Then we will begin to creep up on them to create this competition. Thanks Tem for pushing us to achieve higher.

Raid Leader of Dark Conquest

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Kaboom Nuken - They call me "Tripod"
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Fizban Saymynamebeach - Don't mess with me

CLAN DRAGONBREATH

I really wish people would read all the posts and let it sink in before chiming in with their own opinion that misses the original point.

Look, I think the competition that once existed between DC and Temerity was destructive and ultimately pointless. I'm entitled to my outsiders opinion. I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post: I don't care what the specific reason are why people left a guild. What's important is the perception. I observed that a period of intense competition was followed sometime later by some departures. Competition may have played a roll in that, however subliminally. If you say it didn't fine. I don't know the facts, don't care to know them, and I have every right to speculate.

Is there anybody else who would like to pipe up with an opinion on this? I suggest not reading any of the other arguments made so that you too can refute things that were never said. I also suggest you also wait a week or so before posting your argument so you can ressurect a stale debate.

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Duchess Lana Mercyhand
Lord Protector of Destiny
Grandmaster Baker/Brewer
Tanks for the memories
~moejoe chamois, 65 shaman~|~cambria silverfir, 65 druid~|~magella summner, 55 mage~

Yes, far better to wildly speculate and spread rumors when you have no facts and freely admit to not caring to know them. Yup, I can see how that is the best way to do things. Make sure you post your unsubstantiated rumors too. Yeah, that's the ticket.

In my year or so on this board, in my 500 some posts, I have never made any speculations about Destiny or any of its members. I know nothing about what goes on there so I keep my trap shut since anything I say would just be pure speculation.

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Elder SunRa Wosret, Khati Sha Feral Lord
Killer of gods, eater of gnomes.
Venerable Sekhmet Geb, Woodie Storm Warden
Killer of grass snakes, baker of gnomes

Live fast, die young and leave a magnificent looking corpse.

Well Sun, I can take your argument and turn it against you too. Had you bothered to read the posts in this thread rather than getting your panties in a bunch without knowing all the facts, you would already know that I have already been chided for not being more up on the rumours on the server. I'm not spreading any rumours. I'm voicing an opinion. There's a difference. Nowhere have I made any claim that what I say if in any way fact.

I have not made any derogatory comments about anyone or any guild. I don't know where you're getting that from, except that possibly you dreamed it or wished it were so.

This debate is not about you or your guilds. It's about competition and the need for it. I argue, and judging by the aggressive tone of your posts you disagree, that, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, competition at the guild level is destructive.

I suppose you'll have some more tough-talk to throw at me. Go ahead. There is really nothing else to be said about this that hasn't already been said, and frankly I'm tired of repeating myself for those who refuse to try to understand. So this comment (on what was once a healthy debate but has been turned into a one-sided flame war) is my last.

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Lord Protector of Destiny
Grandmaster Baker/Brewer
Tanks for the memories
~moejoe chamois, 65 shaman~|~cambria silverfir, 65 druid~|~magella summner, 55 mage~

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Vance
"At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."

Sorry I did not bother to read all 5 pages of posts. Just got upset when someone brings up a wrong reason for the loss of certain people from one guild to another.

As a total change of direction, how do you know what shape my panties are in?

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Elder SunRa Wosret, Khati Sha Feral Lord
Killer of gods, eater of gnomes.
Venerable Sekhmet Geb, Woodie Storm Warden
Killer of grass snakes, baker of gnomes

Live fast, die young and leave a magnificent looking corpse.

Umm no, but the sticky side goes DOWN, SunRa.

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Nameless Order

Sick fuckers go away BLECH.

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Give up that bitter black urine men call coffee. Ahh. Java devil, you are now my bitch.
--- The Tick

I think this is where all of the original misunderstanding arose.

Lan believes that competition between guilds is bad. As her main (only?) example, she blames competition between DC and Temerity for Tier 0/1 mobs as causing some internal strife in DC that led to a number of their members leaving the guild. Several members of DC, at the time, including the guild master, have said that this wasn't the case. So, this particular case is not a valid example of why guild competition is bad, but Lan's original premise is still out there.

My personal take is that guild competition is neither good nor bad. It's just the way things are. We are playing a game with limited rewards. Thus, everyone can't fight über_mob_02 at the same time, and not everyone will get über_weapon_04 at the same time.

Likewise, especially with our small server population, there will be competition for warm bodies to fill out guild ranks.

The important point is not whether we are competing or not. Rather it's in HOW we choose to play the game. Are you a finger-pointing, trash-talking, poor-sport, or are you willing to congratulate your opponent on an achievement well-earned, even when they beat you to it? Will you go off in a corner and pout because someone beat you to a mob or item, or will you vow to try harder and reach the next goal?

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Khati Sha Feral Lord.
GM Tailor (250), GM Smith (250), GM Brewer (250), GM Potter (250), GM Fisherman (200), GM Jeweler (250), Fletcher (220), Chef (200)

Remember, when you point a finger at someone, three are pointing back at you....





...so curl that pointer finger in and just punch 'em!

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The High Elf Vending Machine. HEY!!! Don't put your plat there!!

Lanbana, I made that comment being silly. I was basically saying: wtf, you know jack about what happened, jack about the people involved, yet you still feel the need to post here on the topic.


I think Destiny is a low population guild because of Lanbana posting stuff about DC and Tem.

True? probably not. Useful to post? not in the least.


(note: I have no clue Destiny's size, and I don't care about what Lanbana posts. Just an example.)

Sorry to derail the derailment that has taken place here, but I just caught up on what this thread was about and wanted to chip in a comment.

"The Shorties" actually considered trying Lodi on our own the other night only to find that he was not up... Until just recently we just haven't been able to muster the healing support from within the guild to make something like this possible, but we have several clerics who are gaining levels nicely, and hopefully the server will see Turtle Soup and Shortbread on the menu for for the first time in the near future.

( Oh. . . it wouldn't actually be the first time that we've killed Lodi, but the point of the thread is to make the kill without outside help, right ? )

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-Roogles

Captain Jenin Rooglebery ( Dwarf Paladin ) Lvl 51. <The Shortbread Army>

Also known as Roogle, Roog, Roogs, and Emil.

I'm not taking sides in this argument, but I do want to point something out as someone who witnessed the whole DC/Tem fight since my 1st day on the server back in October of last year.

There is no right or wrong answer to whether this competition was good for either guild, but it did leave a negative aura to those on the outside. To outsiders like myself, it was a deterent to joining either guild even though I like many members from both guilds. As I have come up in ranks I understand how the conflicts arise and SoN has been burned a couple times because of mob issues, 1 time recently within the last week by the guild that used to complain about Temerity doing it to them all the time ,but fighting about it only makes people turned off. We just went on to our next target and thought it was a jerky thing to do after pre-arranging targets, but it didn't ruin our night.

So I guess what I'm saying is that Lanbana has a point that it looks bad when guilds fight, but in the same respect the DC exodus to Temerity seemed to not be realted as SunRa stated. Temerity is a hard core raiding guild and hard core raiders are attracted to that. No harm, no foul. But the game is set up where conflicts arise and it's how we deal with those conflicts that is important.

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