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 Post subject: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:01 am 
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What do you guys think of this combo?

I'm loving leving Nerada, but at times I get sick of just necro soloing, and since I can now box, I was thinking of this duo. Beast lord for melee with pet support, slows later on, some spell support, and Druid for skin, damage shield, heals and dot/DD with root and snare. What do you guys think? Maybe a suggestion for a duo with my necro? Neeada is level 40. I have on my second account a level 30 Paly, but I doubt he'd be useful, except swiping items off for a shadow knight.

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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:02 am 
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They go together like peas and carrots. Good partner for necro is shaman, cleric, bard.

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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:16 am 
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Yep one of the best combos there is imo.


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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:33 am 
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You're on the right track. The main "power"s in eq are movement speed debuf, attack speed debuff, mez, dps, healing, travel, mind control, and tanking

Druid has movement speed debuff, dps, healing, travel, and animal mind control.
Bst has attack speed debuff, dps, and medium tanking (pet)

Together you've got almost everything except true tank-tanking and mez. They are a powerful combo.

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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:14 am 
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Depending on what you do, a beastlord and pet, both buffed by BL and druid buffs serve fine for tanking purposes in all but the upper planes and versus raid mobs.

Reksar and his pet can tank two separate golems in PoV for example, and easily once slowed with minimal healing.

A Druid in general makes up for many of the components lacked by a BL, so they are indeed very complimentary.


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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
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If you were looking at duoing with your necro, then you might consider NEC/SHM, NEC/BRD, NEC/BST and NEC/CLR.

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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:45 pm 
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Hmm I could easily do a Necro/BST. That would be an excellent idea seeing as Nerada is already at level 40. With our new players coming in, grouping isn't really much of an issue and Beastlords are still great soloers. Between those and druid's, they are my favorite classes, but it's so hard to focus on three, so I just had to start with the farmer, the necro.

Thank you all for your quick responses!

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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
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Where do heals come from in Nec/Bst?

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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:29 am 
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Hey Nerada,

First of all, I love the name. I spend a good amount of time during the year with my girlfriend's family in Nevada (Northern NV, of course!) and it's absolutely gorgeous. Anyway, to you point...

I personally like a challenge. I'm not talking the challenge of boxing a Rogue and a Rogue - that's stupidity. But the challenge of duoing pairs that compliment each other without making your experience a treadmill. So I'll be the first to tell you that I think Necro/Paladin is an awesome combo! There are undead everywhere, and if the two of you aren't out to slay them, then they will overtake us all in time and feast on our mostly-caster-populated-PvE-brains.

Against the undead you have a fearsome duo. You still have most group functions: snare, slow, heals, rez, buffs, (not great ones!), mez up to level 55 (undead to 60?), fear... You have to get a little creative, but that's part of the fun. And you can still kill non-undead mobs as well, just play it smart. But make your pair unique!


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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:14 am 
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I found that necro heals were enough to keep Gnos up vs. 2nd floor Elites in SSRA when duoing with a necro (Phoh). Gnos would tank/runetank/nuke and Phoh heal/nuke/lifetap. We'd clear there for hours. The only time we'd die is when we'd switch tanking (Phoh tanking and Gnos just nuking). Phoh wanted to try it out as Necros overall are better runetanks due to the same rune spell, plus lifetaps and heal over time spells keeping them up, BUT when he'd get chain interrupted there was basically nothing I could do but try to steal aggro or hope to get back to back 5/6k crits, whereas with the wizard tanking and the necro healing, usually the heals and HoTs would land in time for the wizard to get a rune off then keep nuking.

To sum it up, Necro/Wiz was as good or better a clearing combo for popping and killing Comms than Wiz/Dru in my experience, but Phoh was a god necro so my experience is biased. (I wouldn't recommend a necro/wiz box combo although they sure are fun to duo with.)

So, I'm guessing a necro would be enough for a BL barring tough PoP mobs. However, the peep boxing one would have to be very proactive with all the spells as most of them sounded like they had long cool down timers. I'd suggest druid, cleric or even shaman over necro for PoP 3 and tougher.


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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:49 am 
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I was thinking a Necro/Paly would be a combo for the undead nukes, snares, mez, slows, and roots however that only thing that worries me is the healing. The Paly heals aren't that great, and while I'll have some form of lifetap DoT on the mob so I can twitch heal, I just don't know if that will be efficient.

In a Nec/BST, later in game, the heals come from the BST but not for himself, for his pet. My nec's dots would be overpowering, that taking the BST soloing have to tank, pet tank, tank, pet tank would never really be taken into consideration. I've played that on my BST before, I don't know how PoP is, but I would send pet in, tank until I got to 80% sit back, nuke, regen, go back in, until the mob was dead. Obviously not a good thing for summoning mobs, as I hear, but coupled with the Necro's dot's the mob would go down much faster. Maybe there's something i'm missing, but as of now on my Necro, the way I pull is snare, dot, fear, send pet, finish dot line, sit. Wait a few ticks, pull second mob, and start over. I usually have two mobs running around, and they are usually 50-70% health difference so I never get any oh ship moments.

However, like also mentioned, the amount of spells needing to be cast, playing on two computers would be the best way to do that, and I only have my laptop, and a desktop PC. Possible to do, so I hear.

I'm going to have to sit here and agree that the Drui/Necro or Dru/BST is my best option. Preferably the latter. The amount of content that can be duo'd would be intense. I will be honest here, I started the necro just to find a path to get to 65, and to kind of farm to twink my real toon, my real favorite class, beastlords.

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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:59 am 
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Why bother with Bst/dru. I would do Bst/cleric. Clerics have better buffs, better heals, rez and indoor pacification. Movement/porting is overrated with pok portal stones.

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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:07 am 
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However the cleric can Gate, and the beast lord cannot. While the heals are better for a cleric, the Druid has way more utility than a cleric. I don't know, I think, and correct me, but second best heals, regen, damage shield would even out with chain complete heals?

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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
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I think clr/bst is more powerful at the high end, but dru/bst is more versatile and just generally easier while you're leveling up.

Nec/shm is also awesome. Great DPS, amazing utility, good for kiting or in dungeons.

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 Post subject: Re: BST/DRU combo??
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:48 am 
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If you can two box, why not just 3 box and do a druid cleric and beast all at the same time?

From experience a BL/Clr is pretty badass. I've added a druid whos up to level 55 or so and Reksar routinely runs with a 70 or so total DS and I haven't noticed a huge difference in the limited time I've spent grinding at the golem camp in PoV.

Granted Reksar already runs around with the VT version of a Fungi and as an Iksar benefits from higher regen. This mostly nullifies the benefit of regen, but you don't really count on regen when grinding away at golems anyways - cleric CH takes care of all your healing issues.

There is the added benefit of a third toon adding dps, which I generally just macro druid nukes because I'm too lazy to do anything else with the druid at this point.

Also have the clicky snare shield, and thats more of a luxury so I don't have to chase mobs on reksar (which I generally just press my cleric's nuke macro at around 12-15% mob HP anyways).

If anything, having the druid is nice for ports and limited tracking. Hopefully between Reksar, Bifa and Kruppe I may be able to pull off things like pet tanking mobs Reksar can't tank himself with a druid and cleric healing him. Although I have a feeling its probably just easier to have Reksar tank those mobs and utilize the pet for dps while utilizing the cleric and druid in a "heal rotation".


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