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Will the lack of power pc support stop one of your computers from playing everquest
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:52 pm 
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Harakiri wrote:
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As the person who developed the EQMac PC client workaround


funny, let me quote you from IRC Nov. 2011

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He's [rogan] the one who wrote the code


You know its one thing that you are basically responsible for the influx of hackers this server will attain (or better the ultimate demise), but that you are still trying to claim credits for something you did NOT do is just a sad sad joke. Yeah i'm pretty mad at you - you think what rogan did was special ? No it wasnt, its been done years ago. But other people do not need to brag about this s*, they don't need any gratification from strangers on the internet, they just let this server be a safe haven for osx users only, until you came...

Lets pray with the change to the login server, this will stop once and forever


Pretty sure I re-wrote it as I stated many times before.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:21 pm 
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Eh once the drama of the server close/reopening fades away, and after another influx of players by whatever means they get here, most people will go back to not giving a s* about this server and everything will go back to relatively normal.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:40 pm 
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I honestly do not get the dislike towards PC users playing here. Me and 2 personal real life friends are some of the "purist" original EQ fans you can find. We have looked into purchased Macs to play here before, but did not at the time due to price and just fitting them into our homes. A lot of you are just compiling the "PC players" into a group of people that wants to come here and cheat. There will always be those people. There is no need to show such distaste for us coming to play with you guys. I know there are SO many PC users that just want the classic experience, that have absolutely no desire to cheat or play in a dishonest fashion. I personally texted my 2 friends at 5am this morning saying that I was able to actually log in. I was that excited.

Please just give people a chance coming from the PC community.

My thanks goes out to Secrets for his hard work in getting us here. I am hoping our new found adventure does not get squished and maybe an official way of doing this can come out at the end.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:17 am 
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Like I said in one of my earlier posts, I can certainly understand feeling a bit uneasy at the prospect of having many new PC players join the server (even more so, through unofficial means) but I really think this has been blown out of proportion a tad by some of you. Would it really be so bad to take a "wait and see" approach to this, before labeling it as "bringing the server's demise"? Many (I'd easily even say that the large majority) of us PC players just genuinely want the chance to play here, but aren't in much of a financial position to afford buying an intel mac. Sure, there might be a couple that would come here to hack, but if a method like this would bring in a good number of genuine, honest players, isn't that more of a positive versus the negative?

Then of course, there are the PPC players, some of which have played here for years, who will most likely be left a little "high and dry" with the support potentially being dropped. Since older PCs are generally far cheaper than intel macs (at least in terms of something powerful enough for raiding and such), this could also be a huge plus for them as well.

At the very least, give this a little chance if Hobart gives some thought to releasing his own official client with safeguards (I'm not saying there's any chance that he will, but hypothetically speaking). If in the event it were ever to be implemented officially one day, why not at least see how it plays out before all the hostile speculation and assumptions? If it ended up being more of a detriment to the server, rather than something generally beneficial (by the increasing overall player population a bit and helping out current PPC users), it could then be stopped and put to rest.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:22 am 
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Senvilan wrote:
Like I said in one of my earlier posts, I can certainly understand feeling a bit uneasy at the prospect of having many new PC players join the server (even more so, through unofficial means) but I really think this has been blown out of proportion a tad by some of you. Would it really be so bad to take a "wait and see" approach to this, before labeling it as "bringing the server's demise"? Many (I'd easily even say that the large majority) of us PC players just genuinely want the chance to play here, but aren't in much of a financial position to afford buying an intel mac. Sure, there might be a couple that would come here to hack, but if a method like this would bring in a good number of genuine, honest players, isn't that more of a positive versus the negative?

Then of course, there are the PPC players, some of which have played here for years, who will most likely be left a little "high and dry" with the support potentially being dropped. Since older PCs are generally far cheaper than intel macs (at least in terms of something powerful enough for raiding and such), this could also be a huge plus for them as well.

At the very least, give this a little chance if Hobart gives some thought to releasing his own official client with safeguards (I'm not saying there's any chance that he will, but hypothetically speaking). If in the event it were ever to be implemented officially one day, why not at least see how it plays out before all the hostile speculation and assumptions? If it ended up being more of a detriment to the server, rather than something generally beneficial (by the increasing overall player population a bit and helping out current PPC users), it could then be stopped and put to rest.


Not to mention if you want a new PC you could build one for $250-$300.00(Barring you already have a monitor) that would blow 4-6 boxes out of the water on EQMac.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:18 am 
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Senvilan wrote:
Like I said in one of my earlier posts, I can certainly understand feeling a bit uneasy at the prospect of having many new PC players join the server (even more so, through unofficial means) but I really think this has been blown out of proportion a tad by some of you. Would it really be so bad to take a "wait and see" approach to this, before labeling it as "bringing the server's demise"? Many (I'd easily even say that the large majority) of us PC players just genuinely want the chance to play here, but aren't in much of a financial position to afford buying an intel mac. Sure, there might be a couple that would come here to hack, but if a method like this would bring in a good number of genuine, honest players, isn't that more of a positive versus the negative?

Then of course, there are the PPC players, some of which have played here for years, who will most likely be left a little "high and dry" with the support potentially being dropped. Since older PCs are generally far cheaper than intel macs (at least in terms of something powerful enough for raiding and such), this could also be a huge plus for them as well.

At the very least, give this a little chance if Hobart gives some thought to releasing his own official client with safeguards (I'm not saying there's any chance that he will, but hypothetically speaking). If in the event it were ever to be implemented officially one day, why not at least see how it plays out before all the hostile speculation and assumptions? If it ended up being more of a detriment to the server, rather than something generally beneficial (by the increasing overall player population a bit and helping out current PPC users), it could then be stopped and put to rest.


Fair enough but I"m mostly just worried at this point that they might shut down the server as a result of lots of people hacking their software to get onto it. SOE haven't released a PC client by now and Hobart's been using one for years so I'm guessing they had their reasons. What if problems arise and then there's no easy way to prevent the use of this thing? SOE are leaving AK up free at the moment but if their costs suddenly start rising they may reconsider that. People are free to do what they want but it's a legitimate concern imo.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:28 pm 
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muess wrote:
Senvilan wrote:
Like I said in one of my earlier posts, I can certainly understand feeling a bit uneasy at the prospect of having many new PC players join the server (even more so, through unofficial means) but I really think this has been blown out of proportion a tad by some of you. Would it really be so bad to take a "wait and see" approach to this, before labeling it as "bringing the server's demise"? Many (I'd easily even say that the large majority) of us PC players just genuinely want the chance to play here, but aren't in much of a financial position to afford buying an intel mac. Sure, there might be a couple that would come here to hack, but if a method like this would bring in a good number of genuine, honest players, isn't that more of a positive versus the negative?

Then of course, there are the PPC players, some of which have played here for years, who will most likely be left a little "high and dry" with the support potentially being dropped. Since older PCs are generally far cheaper than intel macs (at least in terms of something powerful enough for raiding and such), this could also be a huge plus for them as well.

At the very least, give this a little chance if Hobart gives some thought to releasing his own official client with safeguards (I'm not saying there's any chance that he will, but hypothetically speaking). If in the event it were ever to be implemented officially one day, why not at least see how it plays out before all the hostile speculation and assumptions? If it ended up being more of a detriment to the server, rather than something generally beneficial (by the increasing overall player population a bit and helping out current PPC users), it could then be stopped and put to rest.


Fair enough but I"m mostly just worried at this point that they might shut down the server as a result of lots of people hacking their software to get onto it. SOE haven't released a PC client by now and Hobart's been using one for years so I'm guessing they had their reasons. What if problems arise and then there's no easy way to prevent the use of this thing? SOE are leaving AK up free at the moment but if their costs suddenly start rising they may reconsider that. People are free to do what they want but it's a legitimate concern imo.


They're already running on Sony hardware, I highly doubt it's hardware from 2000 like the code.

I imagine they never released a PC client(Even if Hobart is running on one) because this is a mac server .. why would they? They probably never considered it before.

Even if people hack on the server, I doubt they would even pay attention .. let alone shut the server down. s*, PC side hacking was pretty out of hand for two years before they contracted out to another company to reign it all in.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:49 pm 
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I think when we look at the attitude of some of the recent PC converts, folks are rightfully concerned. Yes, some are great. Others come here with a "You guys don't know s* about how to play, we're the big boys so you should get on your knees and bow down to how uber we are" attitude.

Furthermore, many of us have played on PC servers and we know how there isn't a terribly cooperative attitude between guilds. On this server, guilds communicate back and forth to avoid conflict. There are no races to content. There are no guilds blocking other guilds. There's none of that. The biggest conflict comes on the forums when someone posts threads like "Why my guild might be a better choice for you than another guild" threads.

The last thing any of us want on this server is an influx of people who believe racing for content is how the game should be played. We play this game to be cooperative with each other -- the enemy has names like Bertox and LMM and is never flagged in a so-called competing guild.

So people who are coming to fit in to what we have -- those people are quite welcome. But those who are coming here to tell us how lame we are for not killing Bertox with 17 people and a bunch of sharp sticks -- we don't want those people. We don't want the ones who think ganking mobs is fun. We don't want the ones who believe first in force means no one has to actually practice being polite.

On this server, when you show up in BoT and see other folks are there, people ask, "What are you killing?" And oftentimes they then ask, "I see so-and-so is up, do you mind if I kill it?" That attitude is just a little different from what you get on EQPC and I suspect the EQPC people think we're quaint about it.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:13 pm 
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I am a eqpc player and its the community and attitude that drew me here. I'm sad the ppc won't work anymore as a pc of that cost can easily run the pc game and dual box at that.

But i'll figure out a way regardless.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:13 pm 
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Diggles wrote:
(7:18:52 PM) Doublestep: literally the only reason PC players want to play on EQMac is to wake the sleeper


We should get the sleeper zone to be flagged a pvp zone and guard the sleeper :-P


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:30 am 
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speedmanz wrote:
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(7:18:52 PM) Doublestep: literally the only reason PC players want to play on EQMac is to wake the sleeper


We should get the sleeper zone to be flagged a pvp zone and guard the sleeper :-P


Lolz, that'd be kind of legit :P


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:59 am 
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Diggles wrote:
(7:18:52 PM) Doublestep: literally the only reason PC players want to play on EQMac is to wake the sleeper


I only want to play here because it is onlyup to PoP I have no interest in the sleeper either way. Though I did get OSX to play.

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