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 Post subject: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:47 pm 
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Hi guys.

Was hoping to move the whole discussion of perma paccing to a new thread by posting MY thoughts here. I am a regular member of Destiny and DO NOT play a chanter or any other class with perma paccing capabilities.

I personally would not be affected much if perma paccing is fixed or not. However I do not feel it would be right or fair to diminish the "paccing" classes powers or cababilities. I am absolutely sure alot of the people who play chanters (more so than any of the other "paccing" classes) on our server chose to play that class heavily influenced by the fact they infact CAN perma pac, and therefor do and kill stuff others cannot.
To me that's perfectly alright. We all had the option to roll a chanter and get in on the "paccing" action so to speak. Taking perma pac away at this point in time will leave (Im guessing here) alot of our chanters feeling frustrated with all the hard work they put into leveling and AAing a char they chose for (amongst other things) its perma paccing abilities - and that might lead to them eventually giving up the class or AlKabor completely. Like I said we can ALL roll a perma paccing toon if we choose to... We should not ask people in game currently to readily accept changes that will radically restrict their cababilities and powers.

From my point of view perma paccing is not game breaking. Roll a paccer and use it if you want to - or play your current toon like you always did and dont.

I am biased ofc in realation to bug-fixing in that I play SK, and take full advantage of the MC bug all the time. It was not however the reason I chose that class, as I had no idea it worked that way when I joined AlKabor. I wanted a hybrid tank - and a troll at that. No pancy elf or shorty dwarf for me thank you!
I have however come to rely heavily on my chars MC and dont know if I would have stuck through with him if he didn't have that working for him as it is. My point again is that it seems unfair and just not right to take away ANY bug that works in one class favor.

Changes made (If any) should ONLY include those that make life a little easier for peeps, and not the other way around IMHO.

I know arguments against my points of view may include "but thats not how it was intended" and "they fixed that on PC side years ago". I say F... that. AlKabor is great the way it is, and we all enjoy it the way it is. Start messing/fixing things that will radically change peoples experience each time they log on might make some enjoy it less and eventually leave us. And I hope we agree that that is NOT what we want.

AlKabor is (apart from a few month shortly after realease of org game) my only EQ experience and I have come to think of it as being how it was all supposed to be and would HATE to see radical changes.

Peace out and please go easy on the flaming and all, as I was reluctant to post in the first place.

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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:06 am 
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Changes made (If any) should ONLY include those that make life a little easier for peeps, and not the other way around IMHO.


This. For all pansies who cry that pac make the server trivial: Please raid naked and without buffs. Oh, and drop your VT CoH mages of course. Its sissy to CoH, crawl the whole way every time. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:11 am 
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Ok but then i'll be giving step by step instructions on how Magicians (and some other classes) can gain their entire mana bar back in under 5 seconds. This coupled with the broken SK voice line (so you generate no agro) will "help our poor low pop server" increase their DPS in groups and raids 10xxx. Raids should be a lot easier for some people who will use these "features of al'kabor".

Why should enchanters be the only ones with broken down mechancis like pacify working for 2 weeks straight?

Some other interesting things to reveal too.. lets let it all hang out.


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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:30 am 
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Locnar wrote:
Ok but then i'll be giving step by step instructions on how Magicians (and some other classes) can gain their entire mana bar back in under 5 seconds. This coupled with the broken SK voice line (so you generate no agro) will "help our poor low pop server" increase their DPS in groups and raids 10xxx. Raids should be a lot easier for some people who will use these "features of al'kabor".

Why should enchanters be the only ones with broken down mechancis like pacify working for 2 weeks straight?

Some other interesting things to reveal too.. lets let it all hang out.


Do you think that's not already out there? I know that, and I don't even play my magician regularly.

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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:36 am 
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I doubt there is a raidforce on AK with enough mages fighting against the types of high HP mobs that it would really make a difference against, for that combination of bugs to matter one iota of s*

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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:10 am 
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Well I recieved several PMs last time i hinted at it, so if you want to know, PM Rysia instead.

And if a raid is going to sit at a zoneline while their enchatners permapac the entire zone (of a easy zone), then they will sit 5 more mins to set up some mages and necros to have unlimmited mana and no agro casting for certain fights.

Its also very good for AA grinding in certain spots, not that I have done it, I'm at hmm 140 AA and I hate to grind, even with unlimmited mana and buggy zones with safe spots the mobs can't get to. oooops, did I just hint at another al'kabor "feature" everyone already probly knows about??


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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:12 am 
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We got it Jerumiah. You're against perma pac. Utdaan is too. Just in case the rest of the people who read these forums missed those facts.

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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:17 am 
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Locnar wrote:
Well I recieved several PMs last time i hinted at it, so if you want to know, PM Rysia instead.

And if a raid is going to sit at a zoneline while their enchatners permapac the entire zone (of a easy zone), then they will sit 5 more mins to set up some mages and necros to have unlimmited mana and no agro casting for certain fights.

Its also very good for AA grinding in certain spots, not that I have done it, I'm at hmm 140 AA and I hate to grind, even with unlimmited mana and buggy zones with safe spots the mobs can't get to. oooops, did I just hint at another al'kabor "feature" everyone already probly knows about??


god this 'teehee i have a secret' style of posting is more painful than jamming a glass rod into my urethra and smashing it with a hammer

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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:21 am 
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I'm against bugs, and this is probly the very last time for all of existance there is a chance we get them fixed.

I'd rather have mercenaries then perma pac, at least then the dugeons could be approached as they were intended and it would help everyone equally on our "low pop we need help" server.


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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:32 am 
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And, since this topic has already been somewhat derailed, if a raid force wants to sit everybody at zone in while an enchanter pacs the way to whatever mob they're after what's it to you? (I think we all know who you're talking about here btw.) Personally, I'm of the opinion killing your way there is faster, and more fun. But it's nothing to me if that's what they wish to do. And if you run across some mobs that ARE pacced, you're perfectly free to kill them. I do not buy the argument that it "spoils" your experience since you can go ahead and kill them anyway.

The agro bugging of unpaccable mobs having pac cast on them is another thing. I don't know every unpaccable mob personally, although the regularity with which the Sleepwalker gets bugged out that way I'm aware of. Pacify, or HoN, or whatever doesn't come with a little instruction booklet that says don't use this spell on this list of mobs...

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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:38 pm 
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Thuule wrote:

god this 'teehee i have a secret' style of posting is more painful than jamming a glass rod into my urethra and smashing it with a hammer



my issue with the server is people who make baseless statements like this and pair it with a flippant, off-topic attitude.

show me the bloody glass shards, and then look me dead in the eye and say it was still better than reading "tee-hee-hee, secrets!" posts.

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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:51 pm 
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Locnar wrote:
Well I recieved several PMs last time i hinted at it, so if you want to know, PM Rysia instead.

And if a raid is going to sit at a zoneline while their enchatners permapac the entire zone (of a easy zone), then they will sit 5 more mins to set up some mages and necros to have unlimmited mana and no agro casting for certain fights.

Its also very good for AA grinding in certain spots, not that I have done it, I'm at hmm 140 AA and I hate to grind, even with unlimmited mana and buggy zones with safe spots the mobs can't get to. oooops, did I just hint at another al'kabor "feature" everyone already probly knows about??


Why wouldn't you have clerics or bards pac while the enchanters set up for unlimited mana too?

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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:00 pm 
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Would it be possible to get this thread deleted or merged with one of the other two PP thread's we've already got going in the rants section please?


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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
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Thuule wrote:
Locnar wrote:
Well I recieved several PMs last time i hinted at it, so if you want to know, PM Rysia instead.

And if a raid is going to sit at a zoneline while their enchatners permapac the entire zone (of a easy zone), then they will sit 5 more mins to set up some mages and necros to have unlimmited mana and no agro casting for certain fights.

Its also very good for AA grinding in certain spots, not that I have done it, I'm at hmm 140 AA and I hate to grind, even with unlimmited mana and buggy zones with safe spots the mobs can't get to. oooops, did I just hint at another al'kabor "feature" everyone already probly knows about??


god this 'teehee i have a secret' style of posting is more painful than jamming a glass rod into my urethra and smashing it with a hammer



Oh the hell with this, i cried like a little japanese schoolgirl at the thought of what you just described!

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 Post subject: Re: On perma paccing
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:44 pm 
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Oh the hell with this, i cried like a little japanese schoolgirl at the thought of what you just described!


...you're not a little Japanese schoolgirl? My entire image of you has just been shattered.

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